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German Brewing The German Brewing Forum Welcomes You 2017-02-26T09:56:47-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/feed.php?f=51&t=557 2017-02-26T09:56:47-04:00 2017-02-26T09:56:47-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=7003#p7003 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Owenbräu — Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:56 am


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2016-11-22T20:15:59-04:00 2016-11-22T20:15:59-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6251#p6251 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]>
Cropping the yeast also has a big influence.

Top-crop for more banana flavour

Bottom harvest for more clove

Interesting, isn't it?

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2016-11-22T12:29:46-04:00 2016-11-22T12:29:46-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6250#p6250 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Nick_D — Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:29 am


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2016-11-22T12:11:35-04:00 2016-11-22T12:11:35-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6249#p6249 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Weizenberg — Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:11 am


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2016-11-22T11:32:23-04:00 2016-11-22T11:32:23-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6247#p6247 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Nick_D — Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:32 am


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2016-11-22T11:27:59-04:00 2016-11-22T11:27:59-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6246#p6246 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Nick_D — Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:27 am


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2016-11-22T11:33:39-04:00 2016-11-22T11:17:00-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6245#p6245 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Nick_D — Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:17 am


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2016-11-21T16:02:03-04:00 2016-11-21T16:02:03-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6244#p6244 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]>
All good brew-masters know that in order to make great beer oxygen is to be avoided from bag to bottle.

A Ferulic Acid rest is very important indeed. Schneider actually does it at 38C, where it's at the optimimum. 10-15 minute rest.

The alternative, which is my old favourite, is the maltase mash.

Both work really well. And yes, you need to keep oxygen in check all the time.

Here is how you can do it.

Method 1:

Dough in at 38C, rest for 10 minutes.
Infuse with hot water up to 55C, rest for 15 minutes.
Infuse with hot water up to 62C, proceed as usual

Method 2:

Split the grain, say 50/50.
Mash first part the usual way. Dough in at 62C, then 72C saccarification rest
You are now the proud owner of maltose in your mash.

Now you will use the maltase enzyme to convert the maltose into Glucose.
Use cool water at 25C to cool the mixture down to 40-43C.
Add the remaining malt
Rest for 30 minutes
Heat 1C per minute to 72C
Convert (about 15')
mash out at 77C

I've got some notes online about method 2

https://edelstoffquest.wordpress.com/20 ... technique/
https://edelstoffquest.wordpress.com/20 ... -herrmann/

Hope this helps

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2016-11-21T13:34:16-04:00 2016-11-21T13:34:16-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6242#p6242 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]>
One problem you may run into is with residual sulfite because several of us have had problems with hefe yeast and too much sulfite. Ideally to brew a good Lodo weissbier you should focus on making your system as tight as possible with little to no oxygen pickup, so that the only SMB required is just enough to scavenge the 0.5 ppm or so left after preboiling and the 1 ppm or so added at dough in. A tight system with 25 mg/l or so SMB should do the trick.

As far as which styles benefit from Lodo, that is really up to you personally. If you want to make beers that have the same flavors as the most famous commercial German brands then you need to brew low oxygen. That includes the marzens and dunkels and schwarzbiers and weizens too, not just the light lagers. Most macro lagers brewed around the world (e.g. anything owned by InBev or SAB Miller, etc) are also brewed low oxygen. But as far as I can tell, few if any craft breweries in America brew low oxygen, and it appears that most Belgian breweries don't either. There are some in the UK that do, but most don't.

Lodo changes the flavor of all malts, so just think of it as a way to double the number of malt varieties at your disposal. You now have a Lodo version as well as a Hido version of each malt to work with. Hido recipes will not always directly translate to good Lodo recipes and vice versa. As one example, Lodo intensifies the flavor of roasted malts so much that it becomes difficult to make a dunkel or schwarzbier with the proper color without an overwhelming roast flavor. So you need to adjust the recipe for Lodo by doing something like a cold steep with the roasted malts, adding them at vorlauf, or using sinamar instead.

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2016-11-21T12:23:45-04:00 2016-11-21T12:23:45-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6241#p6241 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> I actually think that one of the beer styles that may benefit from lodo is weissbier, but I do not have any evidence nor I have seen any evidence to support this hypothesis. Cheers!

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2016-11-21T12:09:34-04:00 2016-11-21T12:09:34-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6240#p6240 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]>
http://www.themadfermentationist.com/20 ... rains.html

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2016-11-21T11:48:31-04:00 2016-11-21T11:48:31-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6239#p6239 <![CDATA[Re: ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]> Statistics: Posted by Natebriscoe — Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:48 am


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2016-11-19T07:22:54-04:00 2016-11-19T07:22:54-04:00 http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?t=557&p=6209#p6209 <![CDATA[ferulic acid rest in lodo for Hefeweizen ?]]>
Or, do people think the ferulic acid rest is not worth the extra trouble/potential oxidation issues ?

On a side note, I am thinking of dosing with 20 mg/L SMB + 80 mg/L AA. Is 20 mg/L still too much SMB for an ale?
I'll be bottling with remaining extract, like with spunding.

Thanks !

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