First LODO helles

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First LODO helles

Postby mvasilis » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:01 am

Hello!

I'm brewing my first LODO brew this week and have a couple of questions.

I plan to brew no-sparge and thinking about skipping the step-mash. I have a pump and could set up a HERMs system but I dont know if it is worth the risk. Is it worth the risk?

If I go with a no-sparge single infusion mash. What should I do about Vourlauf?

Should I:

1. Recirculate with pump
2. Dump the first halv gallon of first runnings

Grain bill is:

87% barke pils
10% vienna
3% carahell

Prost!

Magnus


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Re: First LODO helles

Postby Weizenberg » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:18 am

I do no-sparge on my old system which was laid out for decoction mashing. HERMS is a bit of an investment, but it's definitively the best method for a home-brewer hands-down. If I were to re-design a home brew system, then I would go down the HERMS route without hesitation. My only advice would be to get proper pumps and not the overpriced chugger or march pumps.

Hope this helps as far as your system is concerned.

I would not worry too much about my Vorlauf (first sparge runnings). When you see wort being lautered at the big six in Munich, you will most likely notice that it is suprisingly turbit. Somewhere around 30 EBC of turbidity (see Prof Narziss's books). So you don't need to have crystal clear wort. It's just another excuse for getting a lot more oxygen back into your wort. I'd sparge a bit faster, around 1 - 1.5l per minute flow rate, and would only do a Vorlauf to get debris and help the grain bed compact faster. On no-sparge you can pretty much kiss the vorlauf good-bye. There I pump it very slowly (750 RPM) straight into the boil kettle which gets switched on once 25% full in order to optimise time.
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Re: First LODO helles

Postby lindh » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:09 pm

Any tips regarding brands and models of "proper pumps"?
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Re: First LODO helles

Postby Weizenberg » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:25 pm

Sorry for the audacity sending you a link to the resource :D

I use it with a single phase frequency inverter.

Note that this pump is:

  • self priming
  • capable of running empty
  • fully stainless steel
  • bi-directional

Among other people things. It's not a high torque starter and therefore suitable for VFD's.

If you are talking bigger volumes than 100l then it's probably better to get a 3 phase supply and pump.
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Re: RE: First LODO helles

Postby Natebriscoe » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:43 pm

mvasilis wrote:Hello!

I'm brewing my first LODO brew this week and have a couple of questions.

I plan to brew no-sparge and thinking about skipping the step-mash. I have a pump and could set up a HERMs system but I dont know if it is worth the risk. Is it worth the risk?

If I go with a no-sparge single infusion mash. What should I do about Vourlauf?

Should I:

1. Recirculate with pump
2. Dump the first halv gallon of first runnings

Grain bill is:

87% barke pils
10% vienna
3% carahell

Prost!

Magnus


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With the proper dose of smb recirculating a few quarts with a pitcher gently won't hurt you.
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Re: First LODO helles

Postby bjanat » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:49 pm

Weizenberg wrote:
I use it with a single phase frequency inverter.

I had to google that. Any tip or link for the inverter?



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Re: First LODO helles

Postby Weizenberg » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:23 pm

bjanat wrote:
Weizenberg wrote:
I use it with a single phase frequency inverter.

I had to google that. Any tip or link for the inverter?

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Re: First LODO helles

Postby bjanat » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:29 pm

220V, Norway. Is it just a power supply? I know very little about electricity.


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Re: First LODO helles

Postby Weizenberg » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:25 am

This company makes good single phase inverter drives

http://m.invertekdrives.com/drives/

Naturally you'll need one to match your motor. If you have a 3-phase supply (unlikely) then the inverters from Siemens are the best.
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Re: First LODO helles

Postby Weizenberg » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:06 pm

bjanat wrote:220V, Norway. Is it just a power supply? I know very little about electricity.


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You could use this pump instead. It runs at 900 RPM constant -- which I found a very good speed for all brewing purposes. You won't need a VFD with this one.

FYI chugger and march pumps spin at 3500 RPM.
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